Cal Trans question - Freeway fence over line

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Sat May 25, 2013 6:17 am

I am surveying a residential that is hard joined to the 2 Freeway in Glendale. The survey is Topographic / Architectural for remodel/addition.

The freeway fence is severely over line, about 20 feet in it's worst case.

Who do I direct my client to to get this problem resolved?

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Sun May 26, 2013 8:38 am

I will just forward that contact information to the client. He wants his land and he gets to deal with the state about it.

Thank you

7702 · Post by **7702** » Mon May 27, 2013 3:34 pm

Would the above described scenario trigger the need to prepare and file a record of survey, assuming one wasn't necessary to begin with?

Gary Schenk · Post by **Gary Schenk** » Mon May 27, 2013 6:13 pm

Glendale is in District 7. 12 is Orange County.

Scott Tikalsky · Post by **Scott Tikalsky** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:24 am

4722;

Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you haven't contacted Caltrans for their records. I think before you have your client contact Caltrans, you might want to contact them yourself. You will need to pull their R/W record maps and?or appraisal maps, and any monumentation maps they may have, to determine where CT thinks the R/W line is since your client abuts the freeway.

pls7809 · Post by **pls7809** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:30 am

Email Victor Zamora for PDF's of RW maps in District 7. He is very helpful.

victor_zamora@dot.ca.gov

You need to have a Thomas Guide page and grid number. Then he will send you the index sheet from which you choose the sheets you need copies of.

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:05 pm

I have all the necessary research I need. I did come across some interesting CalTrans field notes done in 1974. They are part of a work order for doing some topo of a failure and a special note that read "Locate the fence".

Apparently the fence was placed wrong prior to 74 and after the 74 field crew had located the fence, the fence was moved. However, it was not moved far enough east. The worst case is 27' over line at the south end.

Looks like CalTrans will have to go out again, locate the fence again, move the fence again...

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:06 pm

Scott Tikalsky wrote:4722;

Correct me if I am wrong....

You stand corrected

pls7809 · Post by **pls7809** » Tue May 28, 2013 5:05 pm

Good grief, Paul.

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Thu May 30, 2013 6:55 am

If anyone from Caltrans is interested in seeing the survey, AND who can do something about the situation, send me an email or call me on my cell

818-415-4896

If you email me be sure to state your position of authority with Caltrans. I am not interested in sending out maps to techs or nosy employees .

You can either take my survey at face value and decide how to handle this, or you can send a crew out and find out my survey is correct.

pls7809 · Post by **pls7809** » Thu May 30, 2013 8:39 am

I would think the prudent thing to do would be to send a copy of your survey to someone in right of way surveys at District 7 (see link for contact info).

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/row/landsurvey ... ntacts.pdf

District 7 is on the 4th page of the PDF.

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Thu May 30, 2013 10:31 am

I offered to help. If Caltrans is interested they can contact me.

bruce hall · Post by **bruce hall** » Thu May 30, 2013 10:52 am

"""""Good grief, Paul.
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I will ditto that Ryan!!!!! ;)

pls7809 · Post by **pls7809** » Thu May 30, 2013 11:19 am

All I'm saying is how do you know Caltrans D7 is reading this? I know Tino Ferrer and Diane Wells are both LS's. Fire off an email to both of them and then I think you have done what you can do?

I know a lot of people only read the site, but I've never seen anyone I know from District 7 post on here.

land butcher · Post by **land butcher** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:31 pm

I'm guessing finding someone in CalTrans who cares or wants to get involved is like winning the lottery - better chance to be hit by lighting.

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Thu May 30, 2013 4:15 pm

Diane Wells has had a copy of the survey since 12:30 pm today. She called me. Very nice gal.

Now, I am a bit leery about going out, never know if I will get hit by a lightning bolt.

Ric7308 · Post by **Ric7308** » Thu May 30, 2013 7:16 pm

I'm guessing finding someone in CalTrans who cares or wants to get involved is like winning the lottery - better chance to be hit by lighting.

Or like waiting for landbutcher to contribute to discussions with positive feedback

7702 · Post by **7702** » Thu May 30, 2013 8:28 pm

No need to worry about getting hit by lightning. The word was "lighting", and there's always a chance it's favorable! : )
Are those groans I hear?

Anthony Maffia · Post by **Anthony Maffia** » Thu May 30, 2013 11:48 pm

Ah, well, the state has so much $$$ they don't know what to do with it. I'm sure they'll offer to move the fence and build a pool and bring the beer and ...

JLG3RD · Post by **JLG3RD** » Fri May 31, 2013 5:56 am

Ric7308 wrote:Or like waiting for landbutcher to contribute to discussions with positive feedback

Exactly Ric, LB is blowing his spew again and brings nothing to the table.

pls7809 · Post by **pls7809** » Fri May 31, 2013 7:57 am

Good news Paul. Diane is great. I guess they do read this. ;)

land butcher · Post by **land butcher** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:03 am

Sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't bother me. And I have been on both sides.

7702 · Post by **7702** » Fri May 31, 2013 12:22 pm

Sure is a lot of disharmony lately amongst us so-called professionals. Maybe the weakened economy is taking its toll, but united, we stand. Divided, we fall.

land butcher · Post by **land butcher** » Fri May 31, 2013 3:51 pm

My last contact with CalTrans went like this. I went down and got the latest maps and ties for a section of PCH. During the survey and later checking msd vs rec the CalTrans stuff was sloppy to say the least. New spks and washers not fitting the ties from the 50s and 60s. I returned to CalTrans and was told that they started the remonumentation at XX and reran CL to XXXXX. I was somewhere in the middle. I was told that if the record info fell anywhere on the spk or washer that was good enough.

LS 4722 · Post by **LS 4722** » Fri May 31, 2013 4:55 pm

PCH moves around a bit..sections of curb can slide evenly making ties fit within each other..maybe a re run was justified..

I was told that if the record info fell anywhere on the spk or washer that was good enough.

That does make sense if you think about it. How many tract maps have you seen with a note "Set micro punch in a spike platform with a tin base"? I have seen too many RS that says "Found spike/tin 0.02' e'ly of true angle point" or corner or BC ?

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Cal Trans question - Freeway fence over line

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