Orange County Chapter

coast · Post by **coast** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:58 am

What is with those people in the Orange County Chapter?

Are they just out to cause trouble, or they ready to jump in the fray to defend themselves, their Chapter, their President, and the State CLSA when they spot injustice?

Maybe you should find out and decide for yourself.

dmi · Post by **dmi** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:39 pm

Many will have no idea what you are referring to, so could you please be more specific? Perhaps I am mistaken in thinking that CLSA has at it roots democratic principles, including the freedom to speak and debate the merits of an issue.

mpallamary · Post by **mpallamary** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:10 pm

The true test of a healthy association is the ability to accept criticism and the willingness to encourage dialogue. That is the true test of power and progress.

LS_8750 · Post by **LS_8750** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:13 pm

Hat tip Mr. Pallamary.

coast · Post by **coast** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:20 am

Generally, I'm speaking of abuse of power by those who are terrified of opposing viewpoints which just might threaten their positions of authority.

Attached is a link to the February Newsletter for more information.

MikeTurnrose · Post by **MikeTurnrose** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:49 am

What exactly happened at the Feb. Directors meeting?

Lee Hixson · Post by **Lee Hixson** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:34 am

With my first look at the Witness Corner there isn't enough information to, as coast advised, "find out and decide for yourself."

bruce hall · Post by **bruce hall** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:05 pm

Anyway it looks like there was a motion to kick Dave Woolley out if Clsa, at least as a director. The minutes posted in the witness corner by Padilla didn't give the reasonss for removal, but the vote toget rid of woolley narrowly was defeated.

I know the guy and he seems reasonable enough to me. Woolley is an advocate for the surveying community, IMHO, and I hope he sticks around volunteering his time and efforts on my behalf.

land butcher · Post by **land butcher** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:29 pm

I don't know the details but the State Board is a quasi govt entity and, as happened to Evan and the testing committee, if your opinion does not coincide with theirs you are not welcome.
IMO the board meetings should be open to anyone who wants to attend and like city council meetings there should be a agenda printed available to anyone and adhered to. A public comment period should be scheduled at the beginning of the meeting and anyone allowed to comment whether a LS or not and whether a member of CLSA or not as the boards decisions can affect anyone in the profession.
I have a real issue with elected politicians that sit on a committee that makes decisions that affect me but refuse my email because I am not in their district. FYI I just use their base office address :)

land butcher · Post by **land butcher** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:33 pm

On another note. The moonbeam express to nowhere is a colossal waste of taxpayers money. Who wants to travel between Sac and LA anyway. This XX mile section they plan to build between 2 farm towns is just insane.
Private industry has wanted to build a HSR between LA and Vegas, a much better idea, and after over 20 years of investigation by various groups none have found it to be a profitable venture.
The plan to build the moonbeam express should be filed right next to the hwy 39 fwy and 57 fwy extension to the 405 of the 1970's. moonbeam killed both of those and others his first time around.

Stephen Johnson · Post by **Stephen Johnson** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:53 pm

land butcher wrote:On another note. The moonbeam express to nowhere is a colossal waste of taxpayers money. Who wants to travel between Sac and LA anyway. This XX mile section they plan to build between 2 farm towns is just insane.
Private industry has wanted to build a HSR between LA and Vegas, a much better idea, and after over 20 years of investigation by various groups none have found it to be a profitable venture.
The plan to build the moonbeam express should be filed right next to the hwy 39 fwy and 57 fwy extension to the 405 of the 1970's. moonbeam killed both of those and others his first time around.

Like I always say: "There is a reason his nickname is Moonbeam."

land butcher · Post by **land butcher** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:25 pm

mpallamary wrote:The true test of a healthy association is the ability to accept criticism and the willingness to encourage dialogue. That is the true test of power and progress.

Agreed

PLS7393 · Post by **PLS7393** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:08 pm

land butcher wrote: IMO the board meetings should be open to anyone who wants to attend and like city council meetings there should be a agenda printed available to anyone and adhered to. A public comment period should be scheduled at the beginning of the meeting and anyone allowed to comment whether a LS or not and whether a member of CLSA or not as the boards decisions can affect anyone in the profession.

The last time I was a Chapter Rep./Director the Board Meeting was open to anyone interested in attending as a "Guest". They did not need to be invited, but you needed to RSVP to Central Office so that they could count you for lunch. The Executive Board Meeting the day before I believe is a closed door, so not sure which meeting you are referring too?

Luckily I am local to the meeting location and have always preached to other local members to spend a Saturday and attend so that you can get educated on what takes place at a Board Meeting. They are very educational to see how your CLSA operates.

Proud7191 · Post by **Proud7191** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:44 am

Great news letter from OC CLSA! Is there away to get the first issue?
Thanks, Jp

PE_PLS · Post by **PE_PLS** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:58 am

Are available here: http://oc-surveyors.org/newsletter.html

Proud7191 · Post by **Proud7191** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:20 pm

Thanks! Jp

E_Page · Post by **E_Page** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:32 pm

land butcher wrote:... as happened to Evan and the testing committee, if your opinion does not coincide with theirs you are not welcome.

I haven't participated in development or grading for the past 3 or 4 years but didn't realize I was kicked off. Are you aware of something I'm not? Did I get excommunicated and not know it?

Or are you thinking of the ad hoc committee formed to give comment on proposed format changes? That group met once. None of us were brought back, as far as I know, as a follow up or to advise further. I completed one more grading cycle of the (old format) exam and had some minimal involvement with question development after that as well.

land butcher · Post by **land butcher** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:37 pm

It would be the ad hoc committee then.

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