Gender Pay Gap in Surveying

[DWoolley]

A small bit of trivia about the Ten Minute Surveyor videos: the end table behind me often carries a rotating little Easter egg. The books you see there are not random props. They are pulled from the small library of titles I consider keepers—the ones I do not part with. They are not always technical references, either. Sometimes they are history, investigative reporting, finance, or anything else that earned a permanent spot in the collection. Since I am not exactly running the Oprah Book Club, and I never mention the titles, I assume most people treat them like wallpaper.

As it relates to this thread, the book sitting on the end table in the “Myths” video from October 4, 2022 was Richard Reeves’ Of Boys and Men—a recent read at the time that earned its place in my library as a keeper. A little background curiosity back then might have saved us all a few calories in this discussion, all in a day's work.

No shade intended. Conversations like this help keep the profession sharp. And if we ever need common ground, we can always rally with t-shirts, placards, and a collective stand against the one force unmistakably hostile to our cause: the blood-thirsty orcas reducing the great white population. Save Great White Shark Livers.

DWoolley

[jamesh1467]

I really debate engaging because it just keeps you going. But you try to spin a lot of things incorrectly that need correction.

I would think it would be a relief to learn that something you said “really pisses you off” is not actually real. Your frustration with the profession is understandable, but misplaced.

The "really pisses me off" wasn't about data or statistics. It was about a real person and their situation. I was made aware of their salary, and that their SUBORDINATES made over 30K more than they did. It was/is real. Then I found out another woman was underpaid by a few thousand compared to her peers, which is not as clear a pay discrepancy, but still seems like one. Then I made this post, citing national data while trying to make it clear I had seen this with my own eyes. I thought I had done that while trying to respect the privacy of the people involved. Because its their career, not mine.

I don't know how I would have gotten any relief from what you said. Its actually pretty insulting that you think I would learn that what I know about is "not actually real". Do you think my friend is lying to me because national statistics say otherwise? Should I demand pay stubs from her to validate my anger because your national statistics indicate she is lying? The statement above is a little ridiculous and insulting in its own right. Also, its a little insulting that almost everything you said comes from the notion that you thought that I discovered pay discrepancies for the first time, and that's what you thought pissed me off? As though I am much more naive than you and I could never know real situations and needed to be directed to the correct understanding of pay equity despite what I have seen with my own eyes? Again, I really don't know what goes on inside your head. There has to be a lot of something up there.

I would like you to do an exercise for me:
For 10 minutes can you just pretend to assume you are not gods greatest gift to this earth in Land Surveying. For 10 minutes, just pretend that you are a very smart and experienced surveyor and there are probably only a few dozen, maybe a hundred like you with your talent and experience. Then reread all these posts and write a response.

[CBarrett]

Would you be so kind to send me a PM or an email?

[CBarrett]

I prefer white teddy bears to sharks.
Sharks always cry a lot and get mad when you bite them back, and then there is a full out war.

Warm, fuzzy and cooperative is a much better start. Saves everyone a lot of crying and gets things done.

Anger and putdowns are a form of hurt feelings. Psychology is fun reading.

This is also a fun read : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundament ... tion_error one of the psychological basics.