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I find this to be a very simple answer and think that the majority have provided such a convoluted summary that everything has been lost in translation.

Answer: No, an R/S is not required if you are preparing and recording just a LLA.

With that being said, most agencies have become rather clever in their requirements for a LLA. From my experience, the majority of agencies require a site plan showing the existing improvements tied to the proposed boundary lines. This site plan is normally recorded with the LLA documents and in turn can be relied upon by the public. This in my opinion is the establishment of a point or line not shown on any subdivision map, official map, or record of survey triggering 8762(b)(4), hence requiring an RS.

NO. The line is not established until the LLA & deeds are recorded.
You locate improvements in relation to existing PLs that exist and are of record.
You then, on paper or tv, establish the new line(s) adhering to local setbacks etc.

A lot has been addressed thus far and I agree with some as I have been involved with LLA's in the private sector as well as a City and at County level.

For the most part, a LLA can be recorded without a new survey, but some jurisdictions want to see a survey with improvements, existing lot lines, and the new lot lines prior to filing within and recording a new LLA document. The good jurisdictions will reduce the survey map (legible fonts) and attach it to the document getting recorded. No ROS is required for this process, and the lines are not established as of yet until the document is recorded.

After the document is recorded, if the land owner wants the lines monumented, as some have addressed, once you establish the deed lines in the field, a ROS is required.

I have to agree with those that say even if no monuments are set, but a setback certification is required from the new deed lines, you have just established the deed lines (not previously mapped) referencing the new setback structure, thus the need for a ROS.

A lot has been addressed thus far and I agree with some as I have been involved with LLA's in the private sector as well as a City and at County level.

For the most part, a LLA can be recorded without a new survey, but some jurisdictions want to see a survey with improvements, existing lot lines, and the new lot lines prior to filing within and recording a new LLA document. The good jurisdictions will reduce the survey map (legible fonts) and attach it to the document getting recorded. No ROS is required for this process, and the lines are not established as of yet until the document is recorded.

After the document is recorded, if the land owner wants the lines monumented, as some have addressed, once you establish the deed lines in the field, a ROS is required.

I have to agree with those that say even if no monuments are set, but a setback certification is required from the new deed lines, you have just established the deed lines (not previously mapped) referencing the new setback structure, thus the need for a ROS.

If your still confused, good luck.

Quote.....(.No ROS is required for this process, and the lines are not established as of yet until the document is recorded)

Quote...(No ROS is required for this process, and the lines are not established as of yet until the document is recorded.)

Well then, great!!! I guess I am not establishing these "new" lines. Must be the city or the county or the owners of the land or the county recorder doing the establishing. And that's okay with me that I am not doing this, although I do not mind taking the heat, if I am supposed to be taking it.

I guess maybe I am just a necessary piece in this puzzle.

The line is established, but it is not a record title line until the description makes it into the chain of title. once The compliance documents are approved and recorded, my advice to the parties concerned is to get those new description into the chain of title.Oh yeah and to deal with any lenders...