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Does anyone know of a LLA that had one of its parcels straddling a county line?

Interesting. Does the line to be moved cross the county line, or is it just on one side? Seems like if the moving of the line occurs only in one county, then the LLA would only need to be recorded in one county, but if the line in question or the new line cross the county line then I guess it would have to be recorded at both recorders.

The parcel is going to combine portions of original parcels that lie on each side of the political boundary and leave the remainders as new parcels. A typical LLA except for the county line.

Berk: does one or both of the existing properties lie in two counties? that is rather unusual but not unique...

No, Peter, the property actually straddles the county line but there is a legal for the portion that resides in each county. Basically, the legal describes the entire parcel, but excludes anything lying in the other county.

Yes, Peter,

I've done a few. They are treated as if the county line doesnt exist.

The county line remains the same. Each agency approves the BLA or PLA or LLA (what ever they choose to call it) As I remember, only the majority county charges their full processing price. The other county may have a deminimis charge.

Certificates are recorded in each county, and deeds may be recorded the same way.

Each assessor redoes the tax lines and redrafts the plats per their own standards.

Thats all I have

Cheers !!

Good

So Good could you supply me with a couple of cites?

Thanks

I am trying to convince a County Counsel that this is allowable, so please provide a couple of examples

Thanks

I have a current situation where I am doing just that. I am conducting a LLA on a parcel that is in both Shasta and Lassen counties. This single parcel had been multiple parcels in both counties more than a decade ago, and were adjusted down to a couple of parcels. One of the parcels is 95 % in shasta Co. while 5% is in Lassen. I am looking to modify the parcel, and have been in contact with both County agencies.

The previous work was done concurrently in both jurisdictions, with deeds recorded in each.
Shasta co. LLA # 6-89, Book 2463 O.R. 208
Lassen co LLA#07-03-88, Book 496 O.R. 634

Berk, you also mention combining portions and the leaving remainders as "new" parcels. A LLA can't create any new parcels. you end up the the same # or less, regardless of spanning multiple jurisdictional lines or not.

Thanks for the info Lehman, I appreciate the help. I meant to say newly re-configured, not new parcels.

Berk,
Something to keep in mind, I am basically trying to undo what the previous surveyor did with his cross county line PLA. The way he left it, my client has to apply for permits applications in both counties for every "project" he wants to do on his one legal parcel. The projects have been building permits, septic tank applications, well permits, you name it. That means he has had to pay double fees for everything he does. He has to have public hearings in both counties for the same projects. One county can nix a project that would be a no-brainer in the other. The "minor" county may choose to be less involved, but it is up to their discretion. It is something to avoid in my opinion.
Frank

Frank thanks for the additional info.

Yes Berk,

Mr Lehmann has is correct. This is certainly one of the draw backs of having property which straddles a county line.

Ive done parcel maps which actually separate such kinds of property at the County line. This is quite a battle when zoning is different in each county.

We succeeded with one and failed miserably with another.

One thing to be sure, is NEVER warranty that a project is "doable" even if We on this forum say we've done it before. California is such a large state of confusion that sometimes anything is possible and other times we cant even pop a soap bubble.

We all wish you the best I'm sure.

"good"

Good:

I need examples of what you said you did. My case covers a firm that mines the river that crosses the county line and their mining plan has to be approved by counties anyway. A little help, please. I have Frank's, but the more the merrier.

Berk