Subdivision Map Checking

[kwilson]

Now that we are doing more Parcel Maps (SB9 etc) and submitting these to various cities, it seems that some jurisdictions are not equipped to handle the workload.

Question: If a jurisdiction's map checking process is incompetent can the Engineer of Record or Surveyor or Record (the one signing the map) be held responsible? (Complaint to the Board). Is the review of the certificates on a map the responsibility of the City Engineer or City Surveyor?

Example 1: Map corrections show lack of understanding of surveying practices and procedures resulting in completely off the wall corrections. Did the surveyor of record actually approve the correction or are they not exercising responsible charge?

Example 2: The process of providing corrections is disorganized, not decipherable and grossly cumbersome costing clients and surveyors time and money. For example, we received 10 sets of corrections and 7 of them were corrections made to previous versions of the map. Or multiple corrections of the same thing. Or corrections that remain which we have already taken care of. Or individual corrections from various persons all on different sheets and some not in agreement.

Is it a requirement for a Civil Engineer to be an organized person? Or maybe that's not something an engineer does.

I am not making this up. What happened to one redline?

[David Kendall]

Now that we are doing more Parcel Maps (SB9 etc) and submitting these to various cities, it seems that some jurisdictions are not equipped to handle the workload.

I have had some similar experiences lately and I agree with your assertion that the jurisdictions are not capable of handling the work load.

I do not believe that our licensing board has discretion over the timelines or review qualifications, beyond that spelled out in the LS act.

I have been wondering about the mechanism of SMA enforcement myself, it appears to be a self regulating system. Even the streamlined subdivision has a blank check for the agency (engineers, surveyors and planners) to take as long as they want and charge for whatever they care to.

I feel like if I treated my clients that way then I would lose my license for contract violations. I can’t understand how the agencies get away with this behavior and shrug it off with no accountability.

[hellsangle]

Doesn't 65956(b) apply?

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... nNum=65956.

[David Kendall]

Doesn't 65956(b) apply?

Seems like too many moving parts. I’m waiting over 90 days for the assessor to calculate the taxes due for the new year. Everyone else has signed off. The map was finished in August so going on 9 months of agency nonsense and of course they bill hourly.
I think the agency has discovered that no one is held accountable for violating the government code

[CBarrett]

Is this a tentative map review or a final map review?
Tentative maps usually go through multiple departments and receive multiple redlines.

[David Kendall]

Is this a tentative map review or a final map review?
Tentative maps usually go through multiple departments and receive multiple redlines.

Mine is a parcel map filing. SB9 “streamlined”…. Not sure about the OP but it sounds like he has several experiences with different agencies.

I never heard of a property tax payment in support of a TM application or review but maybe they do it differently in Southern California

[Ric7308]

Now that we are doing more Parcel Maps (SB9 etc) and submitting these to various cities, it seems that some jurisdictions are not equipped to handle the workload.

Question: If a jurisdiction's map checking process is incompetent can the Engineer of Record or Surveyor or Record (the one signing the map) be held responsible? (Complaint to the Board). Is the review of the certificates on a map the responsibility of the City Engineer or City Surveyor?

Example 1: Map corrections show lack of understanding of surveying practices and procedures resulting in completely off the wall corrections. Did the surveyor of record actually approve the correction or are they not exercising responsible charge?

Example 2: The process of providing corrections is disorganized, not decipherable and grossly cumbersome costing clients and surveyors time and money. For example, we received 10 sets of corrections and 7 of them were corrections made to previous versions of the map. Or multiple corrections of the same thing. Or corrections that remain which we have already taken care of. Or individual corrections from various persons all on different sheets and some not in agreement.

Is it a requirement for a Civil Engineer to be an organized person? Or maybe that's not something an engineer does.

I am not making this up. What happened to one redline?

The Board does possess the authority to investigate any complaints related to ensuring that the appropriate licensee if performing, or in responsible charge of, the aspects related to PMs as it applies to their respective license. Feel free to submit a complaint.