Good thing its only on the area then. That way the judge would know it was the lowest in priority in the minds of the scrivenor, and original grantor in case there was ever any issues of ambiguity.DWoolley wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:23 pm This statement is ofttimes used extraneously. In one description it followed every course and when the matter was taken to court, the judge knocked out all of the statements of "more or less." The theory expressed was that inasmuch as they were used throughout, they carried no meaning whatsoever.
Seems like we have the basis for creating a test that will give us some concrete evidence. I do not know how to start a poll, but will try to get one going if I can figure it out. That would cover the surveyor side of the audience.
If we asked 100 non-surveyors what they thought "more or less" meant on the areas, I would predict that over %70 would say it meant that the area was not exactly what the number written was. Anyone have a good idea for creating a poll like that? Facebook group or some such?
As an aside, every time you say "Benson Bullseye" I find myself saddened that someone I respect for being as educated and knowledgeable as yourself would use what is effectively an ad hominem attack in a discussion. I guess its technically an ad locum attack, but it is the same thing, IE a trick used when the substance of your side of a discussion is lacking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
"The most common form of this fallacy is "A" makes a claim of "fact," (more or less is useful on area) to which "B" asserts that "A" has a personal trait, quality or physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going entirely off-topic (happens to live in the Bay Area), and hence "B" concludes that "A" has their "fact" wrong - without ever addressing the point of the debate. Many contemporary politicians routinely use ad hominem attacks, which can be encapsulated to a derogatory nickname for a political opponent. "(Benson Bullseye)
We went through the evidence for your assertion that the Bay Area is a center of horrible surveying in another thread and all your predictions fell short. But even if it was correct, are you using the term to try and convince those living in the Bay Area to change? Or to try and characterize a set of supposed practices you can use as a bad example? What is the positive outcome that is produced by using a phrase like that?
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