City CL Ties

[BoundaryMan]

We have filed said documents to one of the City in LA County in September 2010. Until todate said City has not index said ties depite numerous requests.
Anyone know if said City is violation of laws.

[pls7809]

The only laws I have seen that refer to filing never mention city ties, only corner records or RS's.

[land butcher]

That was one of my concerns with the corner records for resetting of cl ties. The CR is filed with the county surveyor and the county surveyor is not required to send a copy to the city the ties are in.
Makes for complicated research. Because if all you need are ties you have to go to the city and county now, before just the city.
I had to have a County Surveyor contact one City that refused my requests to file the CRs with the county. My contract was with the city and I had to give them the originals per contract.

[pls7809]

Probably the best thing to do is make your tie drawing on the City standard form, or if you use CAD print it on the city standard form. Then use that to copy onto the CR form using the manual feed tray on the copier and scaling the copy to fit in the black border. Then you can file a CR and send the city ties as an original to the city.

[subman]

The requirement to file CL tie notes is usually controlled by local ordinance. The applicable section for Los Angeles County's Subdivision Ordinance is shown below. I have been involved with subdivision map check in about 45 of the 88 cities in LA County. Some do a very good job of keeping up their own index of CL tie notes, others I won't say what they do, and some tell the surveyor to file them as a Corner Record with LA County. Some cities have adopted the County's ordinance verbatim.




21.20.040 Centerline intersection monuments--Notes to county surveyor.
A. For each centerline intersection monument set, the engineer or surveyor under whose supervision the survey has been made shall furnish to the county surveyor a set of notes showing clearly the ties between such monument and a sufficient number (normally four) of durable distinctive reference points or monuments.
B. Such reference points or monuments may be leads and tacks in sidewalks, or two-inch by two-inch stakes set back of the curbline and below the surface of the ground, or such substitute therefor as appears to be not more likely to be disturbed.
C. Such set of notes shall be of such quality, form and completeness, and shall be on paper of such quality and size, as may be necessary to conform to the standardized office records of the county surveyor. All such notes shall be indexed and filed by the county surveyor as a part of the permanent public records of this office. (Ord. 4478 Art. 7 § 114, 1945.)