Dave Woolley and Mike Pallamary.

Mike Hartley · Post by **Mike Hartley** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:15 am

marois wrote:... Please don't sue me.

Armand Marois

Really? This seems to be getting dangerously close to discussing things that aren't supposed to be discussed.

bryanmundia · Post by **bryanmundia** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:20 am

marois wrote:Bryan--Sorry for misspelling your name, it was not my intention to offend your sensitivity.

Armand Marois

Armand,

I appreciate the apology, no offense taken, especially to my sensitivity.

bryanmundia · Post by **bryanmundia** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:21 am

btaylor wrote:Bryan should relax on that. For some reason, people will always insist on missing the Y. I think the country is Y-phobic.

The "Y" union needs to file a class action lawsuit. It is a scourge on one of the letters of our great alphabet.

Thank goodness there is someone else on this forum who shares my pain. Haha!

btaylor · Post by **btaylor** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:23 am

bryanmundia wrote:Thank goodness there is someone else on this forum who shares my pain. Haha!

I am still waiting to find a Ryan who spells his name "Rian".

7702 · Post by **7702** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:33 am

Wow! I thought I clicked on the "rainbow" thread by mistake. : )

btaylor · Post by **btaylor** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:40 am

I like sunsets and walks on the beach.

bryanmundia · Post by **bryanmundia** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:45 am

Candlelit dinners and long deep conversations are my thing.

PLS7393 · Post by **PLS7393** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:26 am

bryanmundia wrote:Mr. Smith,

What exactly has AMS done for us over the past 30 years of service that would constitute such high praise? I apologize for my ignorance but I am "newer" to the organization.

WOW!!! AMS (specifically Dorothy and her team) are the backbone of CLSA, and have been for a very long time! The hours they spend for us in unaccountable, and in my opinion do not get paid enough!!! Dorothy has always stated at Board Meetings that she isn't doing this for the money, as she loves working with surveyors and the association. As a past chapter president, officers, and Representative, I have first hand knowledge of this as I have been a member of CLSA for over 25 years! Yes for those who know me, and ask I'm not that old, lol, well I first joined CLSA as a student member while attending CSU Fresno in the late 80's, and continue to support CLSA.

This thread is becoming more detrimental to me than a benefit, as a lot of the posts are coming from non-corporate members. Maybe these individuals will step up and become more active in the association for the benefit of ALL.

The association and individuals that are being questioned here are the one's who have made CLSA the pristine association for land surveyors in the United States that we are, and other associations look up to us.

CLSA has the largest organization (BOD) of land surveyors in the US, so I have to believe that decisions being made at the Board Meetings are not one sided, or getting persuaded by others.

Can we please start acting like the great association that we truly are?

7702 · Post by **7702** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:46 am

CLSA=Profession (we're told)

Does Profession=7702?

If so, then does 7702=CLSA?

(I was never very good at those practice LSAT exams)

Just wondering.

Thank you.

bryanmundia · Post by **bryanmundia** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:50 am

Keith,

Thank you for your response and input and I don't doubt your extensive understanding and knowledge CLSA. I am sure what you have provided to the association has not only been a benefit, but transformed CLSA into what it is today. Although I do see the benefits of having a company like AMS be dedicated to CLSA I have to ask, isn't that just their job? Isn't that we are paying them to do, to be available for our needs as a group? I hope that your statement of "their hours they spend for us in unaccountable" is only a figure of speech and not the actual truth. I personally would like to know how many hours per day/week/month/year they spend on CLSA matters.

As for AMS being the backbone of our organization, I will have to disagree, I think it is our members, chapters and chapter reps who are the "backbone" of the organization. Without them, this organization would not exist nor evolve into the wonderful association of professionals that it is today.

I feel that whether CLSA was to use AMS or any other reputable association management company we would be in the same place professionally that we are today as a whole.

As for responses from non-corporate vs. corporate members, I don't think this is a necessary or prudent point to bring up. Why should my membership status deem whether or not I can weigh in with my opinion? Do I get a ball and gag in my mouth until I become licensed? Is that the way we should treat anyone who is a non-corporate member on this forum? I don't know that I can agree with that type of censorship.

Lastly, I think we can begin to act like the great association we are when we stop putting a bulls eye on individual member's backs. I think personally, if a member is being outspoken about a topic or topics, it should be taken care of at the chapter level, not the BOD level, but only if that topic or topics does not fall in line with the views of the chapter as a whole. If that person holds a prominent position within the chapter and continues to pursue a goal which does not follow the mission of the chapter as a whole, then the chapter has the right to ask the BOD, if needed, for help in moving forward with different leadership.

Keith, I hope you find my post both insightful and unbiased, as well as unoffensive. Again, thank you for your response and opinions, they are valued amongst the profession.

hellsangle · Post by **hellsangle** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:14 pm

John Q. Public must be laughing their arse off. Professional? Respectful?

This kind of discussion should be for Members Only!

Whatever this riff is about, is it worth losing what those founding fathers fought so hard for.

They were rollinâ€™ in their ashes when engineers were allowed to belong. Now this?

What Gawd-awful thing did someone say or do?

Will these (future) actions be "uniting" or "dividing". If it is dividing - then those that follow us are in deep excrement. Are we leaving â€œcampâ€ in better shape than when we arrived?

Have we become so "educated" that we've forgotten our roots?

Phil - Sonoma

PS - "If everyone is thinking alike - then nobody is thinking".

dmi · Post by **dmi** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:58 pm

I agree with everything you said except to the extent that I find everything you said objectionable.

7702 · Post by **7702** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:52 pm

Phil is right. This thread should be moved to the members section, at a minimum. It's embarrassing. : (

dmi · Post by **dmi** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:25 am

YEAH PUT THIS MESSAGAGE FORUM BEHIND THE PAY WALL. THAT WILL FIX IT BUT GOOD.

7702 · Post by **7702** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:35 am

You aren't a member?

dmi · Post by **dmi** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:39 am

Yes sir I am a member.

PathFinder · Post by **PathFinder** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:40 am

This Forum has become a Circus of Clowns which is portraying our profession is a less than positive light. I say write CLSA to move this Forum where the public can't view it.

7702 · Post by **7702** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:45 am

This thread or the entire forum?

7702 · Post by **7702** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:55 am

Pathfinder,

The insults and personal attacks, from all sides, need to stop. Just because people have concerns that you might think are unfounded, does not make them "clowns".

7702 · Post by **7702** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:01 am

Dane,

Do you think leaving this thread available for public inspection is good for CLSA and our profession? Just asking.

Thank you

dmi · Post by **dmi** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:24 pm

I won't speak to a certain thread or a certain post, but generally speaking NO ONE CARES IN THE WORLD AT LARGE. It is pretty ego-centric to think anyone has said anything on this site that amounts to more than a hill of beans.

if you think of the forum as a marketing tool, then you are probably very unhappy about most of the things posted here. If you think of the forum as a place where surveyors gather to discuss what is on their minds, then recently the forum has been better than usual. I do not expect that to last long.

7702 · Post by **7702** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:34 pm

Dane,

Thank you for your response.

It has been an interesting discussion, but very ugly at times too.

I will mind my own bi'ness for a change. : )

dmi · Post by **dmi** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:58 pm

I have very much appreciated what you have brought to the discussion, please do not stop.

7702 · Post by **7702** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:19 am

Mr. Marois,

I don't want this to turn ugly, but I still have a question regarding user name "stanmyron".

I would like to know if you confirmed whether or not a "Stan Myron" is a CLSA member?

Since you were quick to verify my membership status, I assume you have the capability to confirm Mr. Myron's as well.

Thank you for your assistance.

LS_8750 · Post by **LS_8750** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:52 pm

It is all theatre:

Mr. Wooley and/or Mr. Pallamary: Horton
CLSA Board: Jane Kangaroo
CLSA Believers: the Wickersham Brothers
The rest of us: The Whos

Leave it to Dr. Seuss:

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSxtpKToA2o

California Surveyors Forums

Dave Woolley and Mike Pallamary.

Members only please?

This should be MEMBERS ONLY discussion

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