What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
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mpallamary
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What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
I came across some communications on this topic. I thought they would be of interest to some folks.
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Scott
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Re: What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
Michael,
Was there another answer from the Board after the JPPC 3-27-94 letter?
Was there another answer from the Board after the JPPC 3-27-94 letter?
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mpallamary
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Re: What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
No. I chased them for years. I ended up filing an ROS on my own working with the County Surveyor.
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mpallamary
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Re: What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
As a matter of apparent standing policy, the board never answers any of my questions related to things like this. I have been asking questions like this for years and years to make sure I am properly following the laws or am seeking direction. None of my inquiries are ever addressed, answered or acknowledged. I have a drawer full of them. It is very interesting as others have their questions addressed in just a few weeks time.
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PaulEhe
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Re: What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
Mike, this topic segways back to earlier CLSA 2016 Bulletin Board topic Inequity in the PLSA. Many of us small private firms had similar problems when the California Economy began taking a dive back in 2007. It has taken many years for the economy to slowly return, but some of our monuments are out there and the land development projects & client dreams were never fulfiiled. Many of these clients went out of business. At the same time Cities, Counties, and even State & Federally employed Licensed surveyors often blame the economy for not complying with the PLSA in a timely matter when filing their maps months and even years after the survey monuments were set, if even at all?, Dave Slawson (BORPELS member) last paragraph statement in his 1994 response to your inquiry is interesting. I believe the PLSA should be flexible and not punitive or heavy handed as we are all professionals. Speaking of the Inequity in the PLSA topic, how is the CLSA BoD committee suggested by Evan Page back at the February State meeting doing? I understand that Robert Reese and the State level JPPC is looking into it? Any updates?
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mpallamary
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Re: What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
I am not aware of any movement on this topic.
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E_Page
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Re: What to do when you set monuments and the map never records
I've identified several problems specific to the BPELSG enforcement program and the state-level PPC led by Robert Reese has begun looking into it. The PPC is/will be looking for examples of improperly handled enforcement matters. The focus of the inquiry is on enforcement, but frustrating experiences as demonstrated in Mike's correspondence record attached to this thread would be a related type of concern.
If you have info like that, the PPC is/will be looking to get a summary report of what occurred during the process of an enforcement case, or in a situation like Mike shows here, where they neglected to answer reasonable inquiries of a surveyor trying to get guidance to avoid violating any part of the PLSA.
Almost all of us are at least indirectly aware of instances like this one or sometimes much worse. Many of us have direct knowledge of such things. If those with direct knowledge all decline to provide info to the PPC about those problems, the CLSA will have nothing more than a few vague anecdotes and the handful of summaries I'll be providing. If that's all they get, the CLSA will have little choice but to drop the matter. I've spoken to several people who do have direct knowledge of poorly handled enforcement actions, baffling enforcement rulings, or examples like Mike's where BPELSG does not respond with reasonably requested guidance. Many of these people say at some point something like "I thought about it but..." and the reasons are usually some version of... embarrassment that they've had a complaint against them; "it was quite a while ago"; "anything I write will just appear to be sour grapes"; they just want to let an unpleasant part of their past stay in the past; or, and this one may be at the root of most the others, they hope that enough other people will provide info that whatever they might have provided won't be necessary.
It is very important that if you have direct knowledge of bad enforcement or similar poor or non-response from BPELSG, that you get it to the PPC via the Central Office.
Mike, it may be true that you are not aware of any direct action making the gears of government move on this yet, but you were aware that the process of looking into it was starting within CLSA.
If you have info like that, the PPC is/will be looking to get a summary report of what occurred during the process of an enforcement case, or in a situation like Mike shows here, where they neglected to answer reasonable inquiries of a surveyor trying to get guidance to avoid violating any part of the PLSA.
Almost all of us are at least indirectly aware of instances like this one or sometimes much worse. Many of us have direct knowledge of such things. If those with direct knowledge all decline to provide info to the PPC about those problems, the CLSA will have nothing more than a few vague anecdotes and the handful of summaries I'll be providing. If that's all they get, the CLSA will have little choice but to drop the matter. I've spoken to several people who do have direct knowledge of poorly handled enforcement actions, baffling enforcement rulings, or examples like Mike's where BPELSG does not respond with reasonably requested guidance. Many of these people say at some point something like "I thought about it but..." and the reasons are usually some version of... embarrassment that they've had a complaint against them; "it was quite a while ago"; "anything I write will just appear to be sour grapes"; they just want to let an unpleasant part of their past stay in the past; or, and this one may be at the root of most the others, they hope that enough other people will provide info that whatever they might have provided won't be necessary.
It is very important that if you have direct knowledge of bad enforcement or similar poor or non-response from BPELSG, that you get it to the PPC via the Central Office.
Mike, it may be true that you are not aware of any direct action making the gears of government move on this yet, but you were aware that the process of looking into it was starting within CLSA.