Quote of the Day

[mpallamary]

You are correct! That was a test! I hadn't viewed it in awhile. What did you think of it?

[leevining209]

I'm glad they don't make 'em like that anymore. Sure they got the terminology right but that plot.... her quitting after a few harsh words only to melt in his arms at his offering of chocolate?! Hard to stomach. Glad I didn't grow up in that era.

[Peter Ehlert]

I did grow up in that era, not around any fragile little flowers like Betty... lucky I guess.

[Steve Martin]

Excerpt taken from the annual report prepared by Edward H. Anderson, Utah Surveyor
General dated, June 30, 1901:

"The Department of Interior holds that courses & distances once incorporated
into a patent must be recognized in all subsequent conflicting & adjacent surveys,
notwithstanding actual conditions on the ground to the contrary. This means a
perpetuation of the error, if any exist, in the former patented survey, and the deputy who
makes the latter survey is compelled to falsify his returns to conform to such error. The
courts hold that the monuments and markings on the ground govern.”



From Chapter VI, Resurveys of John Meldrum’s 1980 guide, “Mineral
Survey Procedures Guide”:

“A word of caution in using other mineral survey ties: In Colorado, and
presumably in other states, there was a period where the short ties to
conflicting surveys were calculated through the section corner tie. Such
calculated ties should not be used. This period is not exactly known, but it ran
approximately from 1898 to April 28, 1904. If a report of other surveys was
contained in the field notes, the ties were not calculated.”

[Steve Martin]

"‘Fellow Americans’ – that association has meant more to me than any other. I lived and died a proud American. We are citizens of the world’s greatest republic, a nation of ideals, not blood and soil. We are blessed and are a blessing to humanity when we uphold and advance those ideals at home and in the world. We have helped liberate more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history. We have acquired great wealth and power in the process.

We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. We weaken it when we hide behind walls, rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals, rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been.

We are 325 million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do"

-John S. McCain

[hellsangle]

God rest your soul, John.

And thanks for the post, Steve!

Phil - Sonoma

[David Kendall]

Interpreting deeds, recognizing ambiguities, gathering and evaluating extrinsic evidence, knowing and applying the law as a disinterested third party to the conveyance and rendering a well-reasoned opinion on the property boundaries involved is the practice of professional land surveying. Anything less is the work of a technician or, at best, a second-class professional. I wonder why so many of us have the feeling we’re second-class professionals.

Jeff Lucas

https://www.pobonline.com/articles/9471 ... ead-a-deed

[William Magee]

[quote="David Kendall]....knowing and applying the law as a disinterested third party to the conveyance... [/quote]

This caught my attention because I’m currently reviewing several instances where a surveyor appears to be taking on the role of client advocate rather than as a neutral investigator. It appears difficult for some to separate themselves from the influence of clients and attorneys after frequenting the role of expert witness.

[Mr. Smith]

"It is said that line fence disputes rank second only to arguments over woman as the chief cause for murder in rural areas"


sent to me by another surveyor in boundary dispute.


Mr Smith

[David Kendall]

This caught my attention because I’m currently reviewing several instances where a surveyor appears to be taking on the role of client advocate rather than as a neutral investigator. It appears difficult for some to separate themselves from the influence of clients and attorneys after frequenting the role of expert witness.

I suppose that the “professional” response would be to use the opportunity to find a soft and supportive way to mentor them and enrich their practice habits.

If you can find a way to present it with care and compassion then it might be a valuable lesson and appreciated. Whether they receive the offered correction is their choice.

Or maybe you can just complain on the forum and do nothing. Suit yourself!

[David Kendall]

Retracement surveying is an evidentiary exercise

[mpallamary]

"I have thus indicated a few of the questions with which surveyors may now and then have occasion to deal, and to which they should bring good sense and sound judgment. Surveyors are not and cannot be judicial officers, but in a great many cases they act in a quasi-judicial capacity with the acquiescence of parties concerned; and it is important for them to know by what rules they are to be guided in the discharge of their judicial functions. What I have said cannot contribute much to their enlightenment, but I trust will not be wholly without value."

- Justice Thomas Cooley

[David Kendall]

The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better.