Temporary Monuments

CBarrett
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Re: Temporary Monuments

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Mike Mueller wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:22 am I am aware of the Boards position that a physical monument at the ends of all lines being staked is their standard for facile. I just think that it is too strict because I think most surveyors would set their line stakes on the same line in my example above, and thus there is no alternate position trigger, no material discrepancy IE no triggers for a RoS.
I think you may be running into this situation - if someone asks the board to interpret the rule and take a position on it, they are likely to go with the strictest meaning.

It is like asking a police office if it is legal to spit on a sidewalk. In a large number of places it is illegal to spit on the sidewalk - so a police officer in that jurisdiction will tell you - yes it is illegal to spit on the sidewalk. They are not going to elaborate on when and why and how they are actually going to apply this law.

In practice this position is seldom enforced, and common sense is applied. Cops don't run around watching who is spitting on the sidewalk and issuing tickets. The law gets used in very extreme cases only, for example in cases of nuisance abatement. Common sense and consideration of circumstances gets applied. In this case, lawmakers decided to leave it up to the competent surveyors to decide what is facile. Board is likely to only interpret it in cases of reported problems, in which case the entirety of evidence is considered.

A competent surveyor should not need the board to hold their hand in deciding where and how to set sufficient monuments, there are too many different situations. This is why we call ourselves professionals - in part because we are supposed to have the ability to evaluate situations and solve problems. This also means that some things will fall in the gray area of different opinions. The world is not black and white, surveying is not black an white, let's not over constrain it and over simplify it because few people have a bruised ego over differing opinions.
Olin Edmundson
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Re: Temporary Monuments

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Cbarrett-
I agree with your comments. I also think it important that surveyors are financially successful. We should be paid top dollar for our services. This will bring the best and brightest talent into the profession which ultimately will best serve the public. Filing maps when not required by law is a worthy cause, but if we are not being paid in full for these services, than it shouldn't be done. In most cases, clients are getting little to no additional value to have their survey filed. They just want to know where their property line is. Because the filing of maps is so much more expensive, (or should be) the cost to value for the client isn't typically there, and if it's not, then ethically, we shouldn't even try to talk them into doing so.
CBarrett
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Re: Temporary Monuments

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I agree completely with the financially successful part.
I am little unsure about how that got connected to filing unnecessary maps - that's not what I had in mind at all (I didn't re-read all my recent posts, but I don't recall bringing up that topic).
What got you on that line of thinking?
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