Corner Crossing

[LS_8750]

Anybody paying attention to this?

https://wyofile.com/judge-rules-in-favo ... g-hunters/

[LS_8750]

Here's another:

https://www.inversecondemnation.com/inv ... rties.html

[hellsangle]

Wow. If I had twenty-two thousand acres, I'd thank God for my good fortune . . . and would be happy to share a "corner crossing" instead of acting like a "Malignant Narcissist".

Come on . . . the federal lands are landlocked?

[DWoolley]

I am from a rural part of the country described in the case - actually not far from the area described. Although not familiar with the facts of this particular case, there may be dynamics in play with land owners that are not readily recognized.

1. Large landowners plow and plant particular crops to enhance the wildlife for hunters willing to pay to hunt. They essentially raise trophies that are worth thousands of dollars per head. Although classified as agriculture, the hunting is a primary source of revenue. Trespassers know these trophies exist and hope that one will cross over into the public land (or is driven from the private land to the public land) or they will kill on the private land and drag the animal into the public land. The same is true outside of Yellowstone Park with the buffalo, elk, grizzlies and wolves. During a hard winter the animals move to the low country i.e. private land. Also, folks knowingly creep into the park to take trophies.

2. Livestock owners may run pure breed Hereford, Angus, whatever. People passing through the corner, unfamiliar with protocols, leave gates open or worst case, cut fences. The cattle mix with the neighbors, creating all kinds of problems when a mutt bull breeds with pure breeds there is no unringing the bell. If gates are left open in March or April, turkey season, the cattle have not been branded yet. Common breeds are not distinguishable from the neighbors.

3. People that are not from the land do not always understand the issues. They may think, the rancher has plenty of trophies, he will not miss one. One cow is no different than another. Relate that to the unlicensed practice of land surveying.

Living on the land is a hard life with uncertainties that are unimaginable to most folks. There are draughts that force a rancher to sell cows rather than watch them die of thirst - because everyone is in the same situation the market gets flooded with livestock and the prices bottom out. In one particular winter storm, 7-8 years ago, a friend of mine lost over 800 head of cattle, all uninsured, frozen to death or starved in a snow drift.

DWoolley

[hellsangle]

Awww poor Fred - he's a real dirt farmer, Davey.

(Happens to be another entitled-one-percenter that profited from the last federal tax break. At least Jonas Salk did something for mankind, unlike the present pharma-industry and this boob!)

https://wyofile.com/corner-crossing-lan ... servation/

[CBarrett]

I want to sell them corner cut-off fence solutions.

[DWoolley]

Awww poor Fred - he's a real dirt farmer, Davey.

(Happens to be another entitled-one-percenter that profited from the last federal tax break. At least Jonas Salk did something for mankind, unlike the present pharma-industry and this boob!)

https://wyofile.com/corner-crossing-lan ... servation/

A wealthy person, like Fred or Kevin Costner or Bill Gates or Ted Turner (RIP) or Nancy Pelosi, all large rural land owners - are unlikely to spend very much time working the ranch (farm land in Gates case). The proverbial family farm is quickly becoming something of the past. Large conglomerates, colloquially called Big Ag, price control markets that make small farms unsustainable. This is particularly true, but not limited to, the dairy, pork, cattle and poultry industries as well as corn, soybean and wheat markets. For the farmers and ranchers in middle America they have to expand their operations to be sustainable. One common method of survival is to solicit a wealthy buyer, like Fred, to buy the land while the rancher maintains and works the land. Ranchers that have access to good hunting, fishing, and can provide a "dude ranch" for the wealthy owner and their friends has the best shot at a sustainable living.

There are few things harder than being a rancher. The work is very physical and is required seven days a week - the work is never done. It is not uncommon for young ranchers to go years without a vacation (there are no sick days) - farmers have off seasons unless they run livestock in addition to farming. For example, dairy cows need to be milked twice a day - whether you are sick, tired, hurt, twice a day, every day. Any given year could be the last due to weather and disease.

Phil, by your estimation, Fred may very well be a boob, but his purchase and ownership of the land likely provides for several families or family members to work the land and put a burger in your belly while you're on a vacation or choose to take a day off.

Two months ago my son and I drove a Ram 5500 flatbed 1200 miles to a large ranch, little over 20,000 acres, and in the next few weeks I will be delivering an F350 flatbed, companion truck, with a hayrack to the same ranch. I think it important for my kids to realize their burgers do not come from the backroom of Abertsons and their suburban life is a gift.

Thank you for the opportunity share information. I sincerely appreciate it.

DWoolley

[hellsangle]

. . . the world would be a better place without such a people . . . a corporate welfare-recipient that overcharges the government for seniors, (and others), drugs. All about greed - not helping mankind.

[DWoolley]

. . . the world would be a better place without such a people . . . a corporate welfare-recipient that overcharges the government for seniors, (and others), drugs. All about greed - not helping mankind.

Phil, collectively, we have chosen, even embraced, repeatedly, this reality for ourselves, regardless of stripe.

We cannot even see the bottom from here. The blessing and curse is that I won't be around to see how it works out or likely, see it touch the bottom. That's ok, I have enjoyed the view.

Thanks for the conversation. Something different.

DWoolley

[DWoolley]

For the interested readers, if any:

https://www.bhpioneer.com/news/the-toug ... 912a8.html

Imagine seeing little calves frozen to death and being helpless to do anything about. Those that live may die of disease.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kelola ... ought/amp/

Drought.

Video of the same ranch/rancher:

https://youtu.be/6VpTzssh36k

A bad day of land surveying doesn't really compare.

DWoolley

[LS_8750]

Nary a western movie not centered around this struggle.
Look no further than the 49ers washed away by the hydraulic cannons during the Gold Rush.
Or the struggle to survive against Big Ag in our state....

[CBarrett]

And before that Irish fled the Potato Famine and before that there was the French revolution which had exploitation of those trying to live off the land as the underlying cause, and before that, or maybe after, Russian revolution started for similar reasons. My old country had a revolution during the WWII for similar reasons, where anyone perceived as upper class was indiscriminately killed (a lot like during french and russian revolutions). For those with English ancestry, you can look at scottish uprisings as one example. Even the 1990's war in my old country revolved around economic exploitation of certain regions.

History rinses, lathers and repeats, because human nature evolution happens at a glacial pace, not at a generational pace.

Beyond the western culture, world literature and history is chock full of these examples.
In the US, you can also read some Southern Gothic works, or more popular grapes of wrath, and let's not forget the economic benefits of slavery, for both, western landowners, and african mercenaries.

These are extreme examples of bad things happening when good people do nothing. We have a myriad of similar smaller magnitude of things happening in our daily lives, where we don't want to give up the comforts we got accustomed to.

Primary reason why I fought tooth and nail to get our of a "turd world country", I wanted to be higher up on the ladder of who gets exploited and how much. Most people are willing to step on someone's head to get ahead... while pretending to be upstanding citizens. Just look at daily traffic, and how bitterly people will fight over one car length.