Continued Education - Pros and Cons?

Ric7308
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Re: Continued Education - Pros and Cons?

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TTaylor wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:06 pm Thanks, Ric.

I get that the governor and legislature has been the roadblock.

However, I don't get it.

A quick internet search of mandatory CE requirements of other professions in CA turns up doctors, nurses, architects, and lawyers to name just a few.
So, the governors and legislatures are not opposed to CE requirements for professionals just not for engineers and surveyors.

If legislation is needed for CE requirements I think good arguments could be made for those laws.

TT, PLS
Totally understand
*just interested in the sustainability of our profession and the increased positive perspective of what we do*
That right there should be at the forefront of every surveyor's mind
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Ric7308 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:30 am
TTaylor wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:06 pm
*just interested in the sustainability of our profession and the increased positive perspective of what we do*
That right there should be at the forefront of every surveyor's mind
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This week I received the most recent version of the proposed NSPS Model Law. The proposed revisions allow GISP (GIS folks) to perform work that a California land surveyor would consider to be covered by Bus.& Prof. Code 8726 as long as they put a disclaimer on their work. The language is attached.

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Re: Continued Education - Pros and Cons?

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Ric7308 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:30 am
TTaylor wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:06 pm Thanks, Ric.
...
If legislation is needed for CE requirements I think good arguments could be made for those laws.

TT, PLS
Totally understand
*just interested in the sustainability of our profession and the increased positive perspective of what we do*
That right there should be at the forefront of every surveyor's mind
Forefront of every surveyor under 55 or 60 for sure.

I have written about the push for deregulation of land surveying by the International Union of Operating Engineers, the adaptation of statutory practice of land surveying by the Carpenter's and Laborer's Unions agreements and most recently, the USDOL recently took a large bite out of the professional status of land surveyors (my fellow laborers and mechanics). Unsurprisingly, we have our own professionals paying these folks - either through membership or by way of public contract - to deregulate their profession, classic.

I will mix it up by referencing Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men".

"No, Lennie, I ain't mad. I never been mad, an' I ain't now. That's a thing I want ya to know." George's last words to Lennie before he delivers the mercy for his friend. Who among us has the courage to do the right thing and finish off this Lennie of a profession?

Steinbeck's Lennie, metaphorically the land surveyor, is thinking "We could live offa the fatta the lan'." So long as we do not have to set and/or tag monuments, tie in more than a couple of monuments on boundary work, require continuing education, add an accuracy note to the work product and certainly, not file any maps, just live offa the fatta the lan' George.

The surveyors would probably be best to develop a penchant for schadenfreude - take the marshmallows and satisfaction in watching it burn.

DWoolley
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